Two conversations

Keeping them apart.

Present and future

Bias, fabrication, privacy, fraud and labour effects are happening now and are measurable. Whether advanced systems pose severe long-term risk is argued by serious people on both sides.

Conflating them lets each be used to dismiss the other.
Neither position is a fringe view within the research community.

Why ethics is not optional

Deployed systems make decisions about people: loans, hiring, policing, medicine. Any system with those consequences carries the same duties as a human process doing the same job.